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Supernatural Season 8 - speculation

Posted on 2013.02.20 at 13:39
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Wow, hi!

Coming in out of the cold to add a few thoughts of my own to the mass of speculation surrounding Season 8 right now. Please note that there may be spoilers for anything that has been aired, but that anything beyond 8.14 is a mystery to me so all else is total speculation. (And I'd like to keep it that way, pretty please with a cherry on top! :) )

I'll cross post this to a couple of comms, would love to hear people's thoughts up to and including being shot down in flames by the weight of evidence that I've overlooked, as I'm sure I've missed plenty.

I have all the same niggles as other people when it comes to the first half of S8, especially the Sam and Amelia story. However, call me naive (because it’s true) but I genuinely don’t think this is down to shoddy writing or character inconsistency. And I have faith in Jeremy Carver, and will continue to have faith until long past the point where it is in any way sustainable, because I just can’t help myself when it comes to Supernatural! So here’s my response to a few points.

Sam didn’t look for Dean:

I see the same character inconsistency here as everyone else. I can pull up plenty examples of times when they have both apparently been alone and have immediately gone looking for each other. As one excellent reviewer pointed out, if this ‘we said we wouldn’t look for each other’ rule was followed, the Benders would have taken Sam out way back in Season One .

However, I’m pretty certain Sam did look for Dean – he just doesn’t remember doing so. Obviously Crowley wasn’t in the mood to be helpful, but he knew where Dean was, so he may have told Sam. If Sam summoned a demon (SOP in attempts to find each other) they could have told him. Given he’s supposed to be a bright guy, the evidence of his own eyes could have told him – they had devised the plan together to blast Dick Roman back to Purgatory, Dean (and Castiel, who couldn’t have died, after all) were in the blast radius and all three were suddenly missing. Doesn’t take Einstein to figure it out.

Assuming none of this worked, Sam had another avenue of enquiry before he could consider himself truly alone – the angels, who he knows how to summon (Balthazar, anyone?) and who had a personal interest as one of their own was also missing. To me, going to them is the only course of action that makes any sense.

Let’s say he summoned an angel (Samandriel, possibly, but either way) who was working for Nefarious Naomi. She doesn’t want Dean out just yet, for whatever reason, and she uses mind wipes as one of her tools. She mindwipes Sam (plants who knows what now I come to think of it – maybe he has some residual programming, unless that’s just for angels) and sends him on his not-so-merry way, convinced that he has no further recourse and that Dean is dead.


Not sure about this one, but my feeling is that Amelia is either a) an angelic construct put in place as a distraction for Sam, b) an angel or c) a human who is being similarly manipulated, but I’m not so keen on c). My instinct is a), she’s not a dream, we more or less have evidence of that now, but she could still be a major distortion of reality. To date, the only interaction anyone but Sam has had with her is Dean’s text, and he got that number off Sam’s phone so that doesn’t prove much.

Also (flappy hands!) the last character called Amelia on the show was – dun dun DUN – Jimmy Novak’s wife! Direct angel connection! I’d love to think this was deliberate. I know, I know.


The mysterious allusion that Benny the Vamp made when they were closing in on the portal. One can only assume (I can only assume) that the angels told Benny where to look, created the portal, in exchange for info on how to hitch a lift. The angels, in fact, were totally in control of how and when Dean left Purgatory, and probably coincided this with Don’s ‘return’ so that Sam would be free to join him.

The fact that Cas chose to stay behind – could be a genuine choice, could be that Naomi wanted him to stay behind. Without knowing her Grand Plan, it’s hard to call, but I’d hazard a guess it was Cas’s choice – she seems to want him with Dean and Sam for spying purposes. Note – and to me this was a huge flashing red light – the first time we saw her with Cas, she didn’t ask him about Crowley, the tablet or any of that, she said ‘Tell me about Dean and Sam’. Which was interpreted as ‘Give me news about the tablet’ because at that point it amounted to the same thing.

*makes mental note to go back and see what Sam was up to when Benny called Dean away*


My prediction is that Sam (and Dean – Sam can only complete the trials if Dean is involved, just as it took both of them to kill the hellhound, even though Sam delivered the death blow) will complete the three trials, but that Nefarious Naomi and her squad will somehow be on hand to prevent the closing of the gates of Hell. This brings into play a few other loose ends – Crowley’s half of the tablet, the fact that there’s an angel tablet, the fact that Dean and Sam know something’s up with Cas but haven’t figured out what yet, and the fact that there is a way to tap into the default programming of angels for further information. (Castiel might want to run and hide about now!)

In conclusion – ANGELS!


Hunter Dany - Woman Of Letters
stardustlegacy at 2013-02-20 14:12 (UTC) (Link)
Interesting speculation.... I like it and it makes sense to me. ;)

Don´t forget the mysterious person standing in front of Amelia´s house when Sam left...
I, being poor, have only my dreams.
bistokids at 2013-02-20 14:15 (UTC) (Link)
Ooo yes! I knew there was something else I meant to mention - thank you! Definitely further fuel for the angelic intervention theory.
percysowner at 2013-02-20 19:48 (UTC) (Link)
I would be much happier if Sam actually looked for Dean and had it wiped from his mind. Although I understand Sam not trusting Benny others in fandom have commented that they don't understand why Sam didn't give him much a chance this season. If some part of Sam knows that Sam actually rescued Benny and that Benny was not Dean's friend or comrade in arms in Purgatory, but instead was simply using Dean to get out that would explain much of Sam's reaction to Benny.

Frankly I'm concerned that they are proceeding with closing the Gates of Hell with only half a tablet. What if the last line is "Ha,ha, just kidding"? Or once the Gates of Hell are closed, Lucifer's cage will open and the Apocalypse will proceed according to plan. Never start a recipe before you've read the whole thing.
I, being poor, have only my dreams.
bistokids at 2013-02-20 21:31 (UTC) (Link)
I do think Benny had an ulterior motive, I wouldn't be surprised if he was working at the behest of the angels from the moment he teamed up with Dean, and I'm not sure if I relish or fear the results of this coming out! (Although I don't think this takes away from the fact that them there boys have Issues, and possessiveness is definitely one.)

As for the tablet, I don't mind them working with just half of it, as really haven't much choice but to make do with what they have. There really does need to be a reference to this, though - or at least I'd feel a lot happier knowing they are still bearing it in mind.

(Anonymous) at 2013-02-21 01:28 (UTC) (Link)
I do worry that they don't have all the facts. I think back to season four and how killing Lilith seemed like the right thing to do, but really wasn't, no was it.
livejournal at 2013-02-21 02:30 (UTC) (Link)

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(Anonymous) at 2013-02-21 06:37 (UTC) (Link)

Good Policework There

I can't say I'm entirely on board with you here but this is definately food for thought. There's an internal logic to it and it answers a few questions that were dangling in fron of me: the mysterious figure watching Sam leave Amelia, who gave Benny his info. about the portal,Naomi's first question to Cas.

Everyone seems a lot more bothered by Sam not looking for Dean than I am . I'm okay with it, but if he doesn't remember it that would expalin some of his behaviour earlier in the season.

I hate Amelia but she seems real enough as a human.I like the idea that she was thrown into Sam's path as a distraction from looking for Dean after his memory of doing so was wiped. That sounds villainous enough for this show. Then, once Dean has escaped Purgatory, Sam gets called into play by Don's re-emergence.

I don't agree about the angels interferring with the closing of Hell. Closing Hell would be a great boon to them. Angels and demons have a natural antipathy, and the angels would be glad to get rid of them. Also, all those souls unable to get into Hell would automatically end up in Heaven, giving them more power, right?

This season is very much looking better than the last one. There's a cohesion to it that season 7 seemed to be lacking and it's really nice to see the brothers acting more in character with each other.
I, being poor, have only my dreams.
bistokids at 2013-02-21 23:27 (UTC) (Link)

Re: Good Policework There

Ah yes *ahem* - you've unearthed the slight flaw in my otherwise beautiful theory! I haven't yet figured out what on earth Naomi's motivation for keeping Hell open might be - it just seems elegant as a pattern for the series: battle through the trials, finally reach endgame and be thwarted from an unexpected direction. Leading into Season 9 - the Angel tablet.

I dunno,Naomi could yet have her reasons - for one, there are a couple of Archangels down there she might not want sealed off. (Or I could just be plain wrong about this bit!)

Thanks for commenting - and agreed, I'm enjoying how his season's shaping up.
jackfan2 at 2013-02-21 23:51 (UTC) (Link)
Ok, this is calming me down a bit. The big "Why didn't Sam look for Dean?" question has been irking me to no end. They really know how to mess with his character!

So.. I buy what you're saying but if the whole point was to insert Benny to get Dean out, why not let Sam find Dean and rescue him? What was the point in it being Benny and not Sam?

That's really my only question.

I have a HUGE beef with why Sam was so keen against Benny when in Season 2 the brother knocked heads over Lenore but in the end, they let her walk. Sam's a bright boy. He can tell the difference between a demon and a vampire. So why be such an ass about that?! Please! Help me with that one. It's bothering the crap out of me!

As for the rest of your speculation, I really like it. Though as a Dean girl, Sam being the one to do the tests and suffering the physical afflictions after the chant, the continued Sam-centric arch, like so many seasons in the past, this too is irksome to me. *sigh* But I'll let that play out and see where that goes.

Sorry if I've offended any Sam-girls. Not trying to start any of that 'whose better' crap. Just really not getting it.

Edited at 2013-02-21 23:52 (UTC)
I, being poor, have only my dreams.
bistokids at 2013-02-22 11:27 (UTC) (Link)
I think Benny was already there, rather than inserted specifically - whether he was selected as someone who was likely to appeal to Dean or just a random choice I've no idea. But I just rewatched the scene where Dean and Benny meet, and it's suspicious as all hell! (Right down to Benny outright telling Dean not to trust him.

Also, I think the whole point was to have Sam and Dean alone and divided until it was the right time not to. As ever, I think the angels have underestimated the boys in attempting to manipulate them

As for Sam's beef with Benny, that one doesn't bother me, because I see that (and Dean fixating on Amelia as Sam's reason for not looking for him, even though Sam explained that he ran before he met her) as simple fraternal jealousy - neither of them have ever been able to take the idea that someone else might be important to the other, and this is just that codependency and possessiveness rearing its head again as far as I can see. It's the way these boys say I love you! XD

(Anonymous) at 2013-02-22 00:16 (UTC) (Link)
I, being poor, have only my dreams.
bistokids at 2013-02-22 11:28 (UTC) (Link)
*shrug* Quite possibly.
darkrose_9 at 2013-02-22 02:30 (UTC) (Link)
We still don't know who that mysterious figure (back in ep. 1) who was watching Sam is do we?

I like your theory, and I do think we haven't seen everything yet. :)
I, being poor, have only my dreams.
bistokids at 2013-02-22 11:32 (UTC) (Link)
No, no we don't, and believe me I've freeze-framed the heck out of that little clip! Must admit I'd be annoyed if they didn't refer back to this at some point. Which they will - I have faith!
candygramme at 2013-02-22 02:38 (UTC) (Link)
I like this so much. I am sure, especially given the cryptic comments from Carver et al about 'all not being what they see.' I am convinced that Sam was brainwashed in some way and either pacified so that he 'forgot' to look for Dean because he was manipulated at that point, or had his memory wiped later, and the angels are the most obvious contenders for that. It would ensure that the brothers were at outs rather than pooling their resources to look at what was really happening. I don't believe that Amelia is real either. The whole Castiel/Naomi plot seemed to be tacked on and didn't fit. This would be a good way of drawing it into the weave.

BTW, I found the meta at work and friended you so I could find it again because I didn't have time to read. Hope you don't mind.
I, being poor, have only my dreams.
bistokids at 2013-02-22 12:02 (UTC) (Link)
I'm a little confused about Amelia: I had her down as a dream - especially given the parallel scene with her and the birthday cake, so similar in construction to the Dean/Lisa scene in DALDOM - until Dean sent the text. But until we see her actually existing in the eyes of a character that's not Sam, I'm kind of hanging on to that theory.

Always delighted to be friended for whatever reason! I friended back, but given I tend to post about once every 3 months or so, I won't exactly be spamming you! :D
candygramme at 2013-02-22 15:53 (UTC) (Link)
I don't exactly set the world alight with my posts, so that's cool.

I thought the same thing about Amelia. All the signs point to her not being real - she seemed like a female Dean in many ways - drinks heavily, no fixed abode, rude etc, coupled with a whole lot of Sam's interactions with her took place in a motel room with the same wallpaper as the shirt Sam was wearing, making me think that he was actually inside his own mind. That plus the way all of her scenes were lit makes me still believe that she's a figment. An angelic figment would explain her perfectly. The dinner with her Dad didn't really make me believe any more strongly in her realness. If he's in his own mind, then the whole thing would play out there. We've seen that happen to Dean in WIaWSNB.
(Anonymous) at 2013-02-24 16:17 (UTC) (Link)
A lot of what you speculated makes sense. I don't think Naomi is trying to stop the hell gates from closing, though. It would have been easier to either destroy the demon tablet completely or make sure the brothers are kept away from Kevin. I'm guessing Naomi has her own agenda and if she's manipulating Kevin, who knows if these trials are really meant to close the gates or open something else....
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